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Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:43 am
by manulanee
ol_bat1947 wrote:I always notice the last shots after Adam puts Hilda on the stage. It seems as though Adam just races away rather than hanging around to give a final wave as the stage leave as he usually did. He seems to hurry back to the wagon and make a getaway. Wonder now if we were seeing Pernell making HIS getaway.
If this last scene was actually the last they took. They often started filming the end first or something in the middle of the plot, depending perhaps on the weather to do the shots on location and on who was available on which day, I guess. Interesting find, though. I never noticed that. :thumbup

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:04 pm
by zarapam
Overall, I like this episode, although Adam seems a little too obtuse here, not entirely himself.

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:30 am
by Adamant
The dynamics between Hilda and her brother emphasize the "Old World" values that they hold. Johann (Steven Ihnat and ML were good friends, BTW) embodies the values of hard work, frugality (the holes in the throw about his shoulders emphasize that) and they are more than likely Lutherans nd hold to the early teachings. The writers may not have thought it out as much as I but Germans are known to be hard-working people and due to that, life is not fun and games and family is utmost in importance. Many time Hilda says about Johann. "He's my brother" and she tells him, "You're my brother, Johann, but..." So I can't blame him for distrusting Mead and trying to impress his opinion of him on his sister.

As for why Hilda isn't prosecuted--I'm sure that was Coffee's choice. What purpose would it serve? Just let her go back to Germany.

I can't remember but it may be that Adam leaves w/o sticking around so that the last scene can be his passing by the children playing jump rope and singing "Poor Howard, dead and gone...

And I love watching Adam's face when Howard sings, "Who'd been here since I've been gone, A big, tall man with a black hat on..."

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:02 am
by manulanee
Adamant wrote:The dynamics between Hilda and her brother emphasize the "Old World" values that they hold. Johann (Steven Ihnat and ML were good friends, BTW) embodies the values of hard work, frugality (the holes in the throw about his shoulders emphasize that) and they are more than likely Lutherans nd hold to the early teachings. The writers may not have thought it out as much as I but Germans are known to be hard-working people and due to that, life is not fun and games and family is utmost in importance. Many time Hilda says about Johann. "He's my brother" and she tells him, "You're my brother, Johann, but..." So I can't blame him for distrusting Mead and trying to impress his opinion of him on his sister.
And I love watching Adam's face when Howard sings, "Who'd been here since I've been gone, A big, tall man with a black hat on..."
I think you are right about their belief, Adamant, though I would guess that they tend to be members of the stricter Reformed Church of Huldrych Zwingli (Southern Germany and Switzerland) which stresses the value of work and praying over the joy of life. We Lutherans (middle and nothern parts of Germany) are quite a bit more inclined to enjoy life as well as enjoying work and praying :grin But nowadays there are not so many differences anymore between the two churches. In fact, in Germany they are united under the "roof" of the Protestant Church.
And about Hoyt Axton's song: I love him and often listen to his songs. I can assure you he had a wry sense of humour and he loved that scene, too. :laughing

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:39 am
by Adamant
manulanee wrote:[
...I would guess that they tend to be members of the stricter Reformed Church of Huldrych Zwingli (Southern Germany and Switzerland) which stresses the value of work and praying over the joy of life. We Lutherans (middle and nothern parts of Germany) are quite a bit more inclined to enjoy life as well as enjoying work and praying :grin But nowadays there are not so many differences anymore between the two churches. In fact, in Germany they are united under the "roof" of the Protestant Church.
And about Hoyt Axton's song: I love him and often listen to his songs. I can assure you he had a wry sense of humour and he loved that scene, too. :laughing
You may be on the money as to which "branch" of the Lutheran church Johann and Hilda may have--theoretically--belonged since it became more widespread in the 19th century. All branches believe the Bible is the final authority and Johann is reading his Bible in the at-home scene. And I'm Lutheran as well and although I'm not a drinker, most love their wine and beer and sports. And no offense is meant, but Luther and Zwingli seemed a humorless pair--just like Johann.

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:36 am
by manulanee
Adamant wrote: And no offense is meant, but Luther and Zwingli seemed a humorless pair--just like Johann.
No offense taken, of course! I'm neither strict nor humourless about religion. I reckon we could discuss details for hours (and I sure would like to do that, living now in a 99% catholic region), but it would go beyond the scope of this thread. :grin - Zwingli sure was a great deal humourless. :yes Luther was a rather contradictory man. It is very interesting and revealing to read some biographies about him. - So anyway, Johann was characterized to be a typical German Protestant of his time, I think we can state this.

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:46 pm
by Julianna
Sharry wrote: I thought I had also always noticed Pernell came across a little differently on screen in this one as well - wasn't sure why. Maybe it can be at least partly attributed to his enjoyment of the music. :thumbup
You could be right, compare it with the scene he does with Robert Culp when they sing together(episode Broken Ballad) The singing could be real feeling and not acting. I definitely get the feeling it truly was a fun moment.

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:16 pm
by Calamity
It may be a sad episode but I do enjoy the time that Adam and Howard spend together. There are times, however, when I would like them to sing something more upbeat, say, something about a bullfrog.

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:58 am
by daisy60
I don't think Jerimiah was in existence yet, Cal! I always did enjoy the sing-a-longs but it was a bit strange knowing Hoyt became a well-known singer/songwriter. I didn't know who he was until many years later.

Re: Episode 195 - DEAD AND GONE

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:20 am
by manulanee
daisy60 wrote:I don't think Jerimiah was in existence yet, Cal! I always did enjoy the sing-a-longs but it was a bit strange knowing Hoyt became a well-known singer/songwriter. I didn't know who he was until many years later.
That's interesting, daisy. He was one of my favourite country singers right from the beginning and as soon as I could either record his songs from the radio or later buy an LP. :grin His song "Rusty Ol' Halo" is sooo good and funny!