Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by Gillie » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:50 pm

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Gillie wrote: Why not Kane? :shrug
He had no qualms about shooting Ross Marquette or Jesse Sanders and he actually liked those men.
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by ellen » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:47 pm

That's Adam's [could be] fatal flaw - his stubbornness. When Adam said he would turn the thieves over to the law, I think Kane saw it as a challenge, since IMO Kane would have had no problems with killing them. So Kane pretty much dared Adam to kill him, and Adam was in "I'm too civilized for that" and would not back down.

Honestly, if it were me and I had access to that pick and hammer that Adam used in the mine, I would have knocked Kane's head off.
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by emilysean » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:40 pm

The episode was just on today. I am kind of shocked at what I had forgotten about this. Like shooting the mule and how much Little Joe was in the episode. Weird but it felt like I was watching it for almost the first time. I guess there were some parts that just hit me so hard that the rest falls away.

And I have said this before but what is with the Cartwrights that when they get a huge sum of cash they have to talk about it so the bad guys hear them and go after them. I mean have the bad guy in the bank and just happen to over hear a talkative bank teller announcing the cash amount. You still have a story.

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Post by CowgirlAtHeart » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:12 pm

emilysean wrote:And I have said this before but what is with the Cartwrights that when they get a huge sum of cash they have to talk about it so the bad guys hear them and go after them. I mean have the bad guy in the bank and just happen to over hear a talkative bank teller announcing the cash amount. You still have a story.
You'd think after one or two instances of being overheard by bad guys the Cartwrights would learn to be more careful! :ha
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by PJudith » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:47 pm

CowgirlAtHeart wrote:
emilysean wrote:And I have said this before but what is with the Cartwrights that when they get a huge sum of cash they have to talk about it so the bad guys hear them and go after them. I mean have the bad guy in the bank and just happen to over hear a talkative bank teller announcing the cash amount. You still have a story.
You'd think after one or two instances of being overheard by bad guys the Cartwrights would learn to be more careful! :ha
I agree that it would be a good idea if the Cartwrights were more careful and learned to lower their voices when discussing their cash in public places. :grin

The problem was the Cartwrights were honest and they also weren't eavesdroppers. They were operating as men with high morals. People like tht can be a bit careless because they assume that other people are honest too. If a Cartwright saw someone flash a huge wad of cash, it would never occur to him to follow the guy and bushwack him. Even if the Cartwright in question found himself in a strange town and short on funds, it wouldn't cross his mind to steal.

That's those Cartwrights, so honest that they make themselves targets!
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by Sharry » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:50 am

ellen wrote:That's Adam's [could be] fatal flaw - his stubbornness. When Adam said he would turn the thieves over to the law, I think Kane saw it as a challenge, since IMO Kane would have had no problems with killing them. So Kane pretty much dared Adam to kill him, and Adam was in "I'm too civilized for that" and would not back down.

Honestly, if it were me and I had access to that pick and hammer that Adam used in the mine, I would have knocked Kane's head off.
I know! I'd have lost it long before Adam did. I'm not sure what I'd have done, but I would not have the patience to try and outsmart Kane.

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Post by littlejoenice » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:35 am

ellen wrote:That's Adam's [could be] fatal flaw - his stubbornness. When Adam said he would turn the thieves over to the law, I think Kane saw it as a challenge, since IMO Kane would have had no problems with killing them. So Kane pretty much dared Adam to kill him, and Adam was in "I'm too civilized for that" and would not back down.

Honestly, if it were me and I had access to that pick and hammer that Adam used in the mine, I would have knocked Kane's head off.


I don't think I would've done that. Considering it was Lee Marvin, I think he would've done it first! :grin
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Post by Quietgirl » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:04 pm

The ending; when Adam was in his father's arms and bursting into tears,sounded so genuine,it left me anguished.
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by Sharry » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:40 pm

Quietgirl wrote:The ending; when Adam was in his father's arms and bursting into tears,sounded so genuine,it left me anguished.
It certainly did. I know I never forgot it. :sob
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by Sahra » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:19 pm

I watched the episode for the first time, yesterday. Adam seemed to be doomed from the start. In the beginning, I couldn't believe my eyes when Adam was waving around so much money in public. He had it in his hand when he left the bank, and he showed it to Joe -- and others, who were watching them -- in the saloon. Adam, I thought, you're too smart for that. But otherwise, there would have been no episode.
I expected Adam to be robbed, but I didn't expect Greek philosophy, mind games and torture. Gnothi seauton. -- To which degree do we know ourselves? We know Adam as a man of integrity who would never do something that could put him into a noose, that's why he doesn't come over as sanctimonious when he's discussing an impending execution with Joe. Or could he?
To me, the episode (an excellent one, in my opinion) left a few questions open. Was the prospector evil, insane or just desperate because he had lost everything? From his point of view there is a guy who was just stripped of 5000 bucks and seemingly writes it off as nothing, after all, his father is the richest man in Nevada. However, from Adam's point of view, it makes sense, too: The highway men took his money, his horse and left him to die, but they didn't kill him. He is happy to be alive. The prospector on the other hand, does not value his life anymore now that he's down and out, and without any company -- which could also have impacted his sanity, too. There are hints that the prospector has had some education, and he's intelligent as well. He quotes the Greek god Apollo and actually bothers with challenging his hostage on a philosophical level, in addition to physical torture. Who was he before he sold everything he owned for 3000 in order to prospect for gold?
I also wonder what we are expected to believe will happen now that Adam is safe and with his family. They already know that he was held up by highway men, but not how he survived for several days and why he is dragging a dead body with him. Will he ever be ready to tell them what happened? What happened during the course of that week or so was more than a single man can handle in his whole life.
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