Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by showdown » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:03 am

windward wrote: Why did Kane die? Did Adam hurt him that much in their fight?
That´s what I have asked myself many times. Adam was in a bad constitution, worse than Kane. But Kane was disillusioned, he has resigned and given himself up for lost. That makes you weak, Adam is strong in every situation. Adam had a goal. Survival at any cost.
Sitting alone in the desert, seeing nothing than dust and hard work for so long time. That makes you dangerous and you become a loose cannon. Lee Marvin was stroke of good luck for this role and although it is a bad story for Adam it is a pleasure watching these two charismatic actors.
And yes, absolutely right, this episode should have been a two-parter! :yes

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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by alexhammond » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:30 pm

This is a show about MEN. Old school men, at that. Adam would have needed some rest and good food and plenty of water and....that's about IT. He'd have had very little to 'recover' from psychologically. Adam was, if anything, the hardest minded member of the family. Not only was he the cynic in the bunch, but he was also the smartest, in general. I don't imagine him having any trouble getting past the incident. I think he'd have felt exactly like I imagine I would have felt after such an ordeal....very fortunate to be alive and perhaps more appreciative of his good life.
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by manulanee » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:28 am

alexhammond wrote:This is a show about MEN. Old school men, at that. Adam would have needed some rest and good food and plenty of water and....that's about IT. He'd have had very little to 'recover' from psychologically. Adam was, if anything, the hardest minded member of the family. Not only was he the cynic in the bunch, but he was also the smartest, in general. I don't imagine him having any trouble getting past the incident. I think he'd have felt exactly like I imagine I would have felt after such an ordeal....very fortunate to be alive and perhaps more appreciative of his good life.
First of all, I stumbled over your "show about MEN". What is this supposed to mean? Men don't feel, men don't cry, men aren't shattered by special events? Maybe men in those days did not show their feelings that obviously, but they were human beings nevertheless - even if they hid those feelings as "non-manly".
Adam stated at the beginning of the ep that there was nothing in the world that could make him kill another person without any need. But Kane did so - and shattered Adam's beliefs about himself. Adam realized in the end that he was not the man he had always believed he was. There were things/events that could bring him to kill instead of just injuring a man. He WANTED to kill Kane - remember? - and just Kane's laughter made him realize what he was about to do. And being an analyst and deep thinker, Adam certainly would go brooding about it for quite a while. Perhaps he would not talk to anyone at first, but in the end - according to the principles this show was built - he almost certainly would talk to either Ben or Hoss about it.
No one, man or woman, can take a blow to the core of his own self-image and go on as if nothing happened, believe me. Even if they don't show it to others.
Perhaps you have not yet experienced this in your own life, because your statement sounds very young.
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by ellen » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:04 am

Adam didn't show long term effects from his ordeal because Bonanza rarely did story arcs. I think it would have been interesting to see Adam having flashbacks or nightmares in later episodes, but that just wasn't going to happen.

I think one of the appeals of "Bonanza" to female fans (besides the obvious!) is that the men DID show emotions such as friendship and love of family.
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Post by littlejoenice » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:56 pm

ellen wrote:Adam didn't show long term effects from his ordeal because Bonanza rarely did story arcs. I think it would have been interesting to see Adam having flashbacks or nightmares in later episodes, but that just wasn't going to happen.

I think one of the appeals of "Bonanza" to female fans (besides the obvious!) is that the men DID show emotions such as friendship and love of family.
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by Pt29646 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:26 am

There's a good WHN by Jeannie C called The Scars Will Fade on the Bonanza Legacy site. It's one of the better ones I've read.

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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by littlejoenice » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:46 am

Pt29646 wrote:There's a good WHN by Jeannie C called The Scars Will Fade on the Bonanza Legacy site. It's one of the better ones I've read.
I've never read that one, as I do not read anything above a G rating. I think mine is coming along pretty good so far. I tried using a notebook of only 32 pages, as I didn't want it to be too long. Sure enough, I'm almost finished in the notebook, and haven't even reached the climax yet. Going to be longer than I expected, that's for sure.
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Post by aristocats » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:14 pm

I liked the episode even if I would like to hit Adam for mentioning the amount of money he has with him. The scene in the bath was to funny and the end with Adam falling in Ben's arms was just great. I think what made it so special was because it was so out of character for Adam. Everyone expects Joe to react that way but bit Adam.

There are many great stories about the Crucible.
I read the one from from adamant and it's great to see it from another perspective.

My favorites are What the Vultures bring and the light Home from Calim 11 also at Bonanza Legacy. You see how hard it is for Adam to deal with what happened in the desert

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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by Gillie » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:43 pm

I'm ambivalent about this ep because I don't understand why Adam would have had any qualms about doing whatever necessary to get away from a man who was threatening his life, up to and including killing him by whatever means necessary! Kane wasn't driving Adam to murder him in a fit of passion. To me it seems a clear case of self-defense, and I don't buy the premise that Adam would have been a lesser man for acting in self-defense. The Cartwrights certainly killed many men who threatened them or the Ponderosa. Why not Kane? :shrug
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Re: Episode 94 - THE CRUCIBLE

Post by Calamity » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:54 pm

Gillie wrote: Why not Kane? :shrug
He had no qualms about shooting Ross Marquette or Jesse Sanders and he actually liked those men.
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