Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

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Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

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Date: October 8, 1960

Summary: While in Virginia City, Adam and a new friend, Sam Bord, come across a wagon train of Quakers bound for California. He and Bord offer to act as escorts for the wagon train and Adam finds himself falling for the daughter of the group’s leader. But when Bord turns against the group, Adam is forced to accept the differences between the Quakers’ beliefs and his own.

Written by: E. Jack Neuman
Directed by: James Neilson
Guest Stars: Patricia Donahue (Regina Darien), Larry Gates (Jacob Darien), Dennis Patrick (Sam Bord)

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Post by PJudith » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:02 pm

Oh yes, Regina, a lovely, smart, resourceful, charming, kind, principled and mature woman. Too bad that she and Adam could never have worked out as a couple.

He would've had the woman he loved and the marriage he hated. Neither one could ever truly be him/herself if they always had to compromise their deepest held principles. And as much as Regina would try to "believe with thee" if they had a son , Adam would want to teach him to use firearms and that would've been terrible for her.

They remind me of a saying I heard (somewhere...) A fish and a bird might fall in love. But where would they sleep?

Adam and Regina would always love each other but they would "die to themselves" living in each others' world. :

later.... Ha!! Just remembered where I heard that saying. Fiddler on the Roof. Tevye says it to one his daughters when she wants to marry a man that he feels is wrong for her (she marries him anyway)
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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by Calamity » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:13 pm

They lacked the chemistry that lovers often share. Because of this, I believe that he would have become bored with the relationship after a while. It's an interesting episode with some good scenes and those wonderful Adam/Hoss moments. Poor Ben, he was probably hoping for a daughter-in-law.
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Post by debpet2 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:43 pm

I STRONGLY disagree about their lacking chemistry! What about the scene behind the wagon? Adam kissing her palm and their obvious,very real pain when they had to part? This is my favorite romance for Adam and my second favorite episode overall (following The Crucible). While I understand why they decided it wasn't to be, I've always thought it was a shame. In a number of fundamental ways they were very much alike...both strong willed with a powerful sense of right and wrong and completely determined to live up to their high standards. I'm sure they would have thought of each other often and not without some pain and regret.

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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by ellen » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:51 pm

Regina matched Adam for stubbornness. I give her credit; she TOLD Adam if he killed for the money it would stand between them forever. Adam's response? "You'll get over it." Oh, brother.

I like this "Adam in love", but unless Adam was willing to live in her world, the relationship was doomed, because she wasn't going to live in his.
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Post by Julianna » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:43 pm

This is a good episode for Adam. I think when Regina's father dies she feels she needs to take over or that's how it appears in this episode. If you know any history of Quakers this is ridiculous. They would elect a new leader and it wouldn't be a woman. There are other problems with some of the writing, but I do like Hoss and Adam working together and Hoss supporting Adam. The scene at camp after dinner is pretty hot too!! :thud
The scene with Sam and Adam is well done too at the beginning when Adam offers to hire him Very believable and flows so smoothly. Dennis Patrick usually plays bad guys but I felt he was trying to turn things around as Sam at first. But Sam wasn't strong enough to figure out another way out of his problem. The closing scene is very sad but sweet. That darn curse is the problem here, didn't John Wayne marry a Quaker lady in one of his movies? :yes I also like that this episode was out on location for quite a bit and gave us some wonderful views!
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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by PJudith » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:27 pm

This is my favorite Adam romance.

I see where you might think that Regina was going to be the new leader. But yes, I doubt it too. Their leader wouldn't be a woman. I got the impression that Matthew was Jacob Darien's assistant and might be next in line.

I thought Regina was feeling a loyalty to her people. Her father had just died and if she left them it would feel like she was deserting them.
Regina seemed very close to her father. I wonder if he was widowed a long time. It appears that Regina took over for her mother and put her life on hold to take care of him. It's hard to believe that she would've remained single that long otherwise. Back then most girls were married young especially in very tightknit religious communities like the Quakers. Their lives revolve around family.
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Post by PlatoofthePonderosa » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:48 pm

The first time I watched this episode, I remember thinking, "That's the woman Adam ought to have ended up with." And it's one of those episodes that really puts me back in a state of hero-worship for Adam, like The Ride and The Crucible.

There are elements of Adam and Regina's relationship I find unrealistic. For instance, her father's acceptance and even approval of his daughter falling in love with an outsider. For a marriage to take place, Regina would have to leave the community or Adam would have to join it--something I don't see happening. Her father ought to have been much more concerned than he was. Also, the kissing scene. She did show a pang of conscience, but I don't think the writers gave enough weight to the convictions of the Plain community (whether they were Quaker, Amish, or some version of an Anabaptist community...the episode doesn't tell us). Kissing a man to whom you were not married would have been a big deal, and I don't think Regina would have done it. Ideally, there would have been more time to develop their relationship, more scenes dedicated to showing us their conversations on the road and portraying the depth of their emotional connection. However, with less than an hour in which to tell the story, they opted to go the easy route and give us an intense three-minute kissing scene instead. :puke C'est la vie.

Problems aside, I like them together. I've heard people say they lacked chemistry, but I don't agree. The feeling is obvious on his side, and although she is a very reserved and proper person and fighting with herself about how to handle this romance, look at the way her eyes shine. :grin Also, Regina is the only woman I ever felt was his equal. Most of his romances were semi-charity cases (Sue Ellen, Ruth, Rebecca, Isabella/Rosita, Laura), but he seemed to truly admire Regina. She knew her own mind ("I've waited a long time to find the kind of man I could love"), and apparently Adam Cartwright met her high standards. As a wife, she would have understood and known him just as deeply as he understood and knew her--something that could never have happened with, say, Laura or Sue Ellen. But, of course, their convictions got in the way. If one of them had been less rigorously moral, less adamantly bound by their sense of right and wrong, they might have been able to make it work, but then, of course, they wouldn't have been so right for each other.

The main thing is that Adam really, really loved her. He didn't feel sorry for her or feel the need to protect or teach or fix her. She's the only one (besides Abigail Jones, lol) who was capable of turning him into a tongue-tied schoolboy. And he seems to suffer more in this goodbye scene than in any other.
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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by debpet2 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:42 pm

PlatoofthePonderosa wrote: But, of course, their convictions got in the way. If one of them had been less rigorously moral, less adamantly bound by their sense of right and wrong, they might have been able to make it work, but then, of course, they wouldn't have been so right for each other.

The main thing is that Adam really, really loved her. He didn't feel sorry for her or feel the need to protect or teach or fix her. She's the only one (besides Abigail Jones, lol) who was capable of turning him into a tongue-tied schoolboy. And he seems to suffer more in this goodbye scene than in any other.
That's the catch isn't it? The very strength of convictions and character that they recognized and appreciated in each other prevented them from compromising in order to stay together. I also was a little surprised at her father's easy acceptance of their obvious attraction, saying that one might as well object to a force of nature. If it had come to the point where Adam and Regina declared an intention to marry, I suspect his attitude would have been different. Knowing how difficult, perhaps unsolvable, the issue of whether Adam would stay or Regina would leave could be, he might have asserted his authority then. I do believe that Adam's feelings for Regina were deeper and truer than his feelings for any of the other women we saw him with.

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Re: Episode 37 - THE HOPEFULS

Post by Sharry » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:53 am

ellen wrote:Adam's response? "You'll get over it."
Those are fighting words for me, even if I was talking to Adam. Oh yeah? Don't be so sure. :lol

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