The Big Valley

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Post by littlejoenice » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:39 am

i watched one episode the other night where Nick was engaged to be married, but the woman he was in love with, fell in love with Heath! I don't about you, but that sounds to me like Melinda Banning all over again.
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Post by PJudith » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:38 pm

littlejoenice wrote:i watched one episode the other night where Nick was engaged to be married, but the woman he was in love with fell in love with Heath! I don't about you, but that sounds to me like Melinda Banning all over again.

Sounds like an interesting episode. Do you happen to remember the title? I'd like to find it on-line somewhere and watch it.

I always watched The Big Valley with my mom. But it's been years since I've seen most of the episodes. As far as romance, I don't think the Barkley brothers had as many women die on them as the Cartwrights did! :no

Some similarities though, Jarrod was the oldest and very cerebral. He had a law practicein Stockton. Adam was the college graduate.

I think if they had wanted to keep Pernell Roberts on the show, they should have had him open his own architectural firm in Virginia City, buy a house there and stop worrying that his character would have to call Ben "Pa" all the time. I think that was one of PR's big problems with the way Adam had to behave. On the Big Valley everyone called Victoria "Mother". No one called her Ma or Mommy. Maybe if Adam was allowed to call Ben "Father" he would've been happier.
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Post by littlejoenice » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:48 pm

The episode was called, "By Fires Unseen."
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Post by PJudith » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:15 pm

littlejoenice wrote:The episode was called, "By Fires Unseen."
Thanks for posting that! I found the episode on youtube. As soon as I saw that it was a first season episode, I realized that was why I didn't recall it. The youngest son Eugene was in it. I didn't remember him at all.

I was reading about Big Valley (a few years ago) and someone wondered what happened to the youngest Barkley, Eugene. I wondered, Who is Eugene? :shrug LOL I haven't seen those episodes in many years. The article said that the actor who played him, Charles Briles, was drafted and was in the Army . He just disappeared from the show with no explanation, just like Chuck, Ritchie Cunningham's older brother on Happy Days.

When I saw that Diane Baker was the guest star, I recalled that I did see it. I had the vaguest recollection of her appearance on the show and that she broke up with Nick. I always thought she was one of the prettiest actresses on television.

Boy, Nick sure pulled a "Joe Cartwright" in that episode. Only knew her FIVE days and proposed. What took him so long? lol
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Post by ellie » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:24 am

PJudith wrote: Boy, Nick sure pulled a "Joe Cartwright" in that episode. Only knew her FIVE days and proposed. What took him so long? lol
I know they had to "speed things up" for story telling, but maybe they could indicate that HunkyMale had been courting BlueDressCladFemale for a few months before he popped the question :shrug . Just seems that one of the brothers could ask, "Are you sure about this? You've only known her for ______ ."

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Post by Tracy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:53 am

When Jarrod married, I believe he'd only known her for a week or so. He just showed up back home married.
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Post by Adamant » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:13 am

Tracy wrote:When Jarrod married, I believe he'd only known her for a week or so. He just showed up back home married.
Didn't they meet on a train and when I came time for her (for him) to debark, they decided to marry?
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Post by PJudith » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:33 am

ellie wrote:
PJudith wrote: Boy, Nick sure pulled a "Joe Cartwright" in that episode. Only knew her FIVE days and proposed. What took him so long? lol
I know they had to "speed things up" for story telling, but maybe they could indicate that HunkyMale had been courting BlueDressCladFemale for a few months before he popped the question :shrug . Just seems that one of the brothers could ask, "Are you sure about this? You've only known her for ______ ."
Yeah, they couldn't SHOW that a long stretch of time had passed. But they could indicate it with dialogue.

In this episode they were all excited about meeting Nick in town. But he was only gone five days! Why the big deal? :shrug It would've made more sense if the family was excited that he was FINALLY getting home after a long trip. Maybe some conversation about how he only planned to be gone a few weeks, but he ended up staying a month. Wonder what kept him so long?? Hmm

A month would be a whirlwind courtship, a few days is just nuts! :yes

After watching this episode, there seemed to be a lot of elements from "She Walks in Beauty". First Jarrod recognizes Hester from a trip to San Francisco. She was the belle of the ball with men swarming around her. I don't think she had the same emotional baggage as Regan Miller. No scandals. But she was young and immature and just liked the attention of men.

At the end of the episode she tells Nick that she wanted Heath's attention and if the situation was reversed and she was engaged to Heath, she would've tried to get Nick's attention. I don't think she was in love with either man. She was just in love with men being attracted to her and falling all over her. At least she knew that much about herself.

Other things reminded me of BZ. Like, how could those woman look so well groomed on the trail? Hester fell in the water and her hair got soaking wet. A few hours later she was sporting a very elaborate hairstyle. Did they have hair salons in the woods? LOL How did she accomplish that hair-do without a blowdryer? And where did all the women pack those elaborate dresses for the dance? In their saddle bags?

Not too realistic, but it was the 1960's version of life in the old west. Honestly, if I take a five hour car trip I look more bedraggled than those women looked after sleeping out in the woods for three nights! If I had to sleep in the woods for three nights, even the bears would avoid me!
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Post by ellie » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:40 pm

PJudith wrote: ... Other things reminded me of BZ. Like, how could those woman look so well groomed on the trail? Hester fell in the water and her hair got soaking wet. A few hours later she was sporting a very elaborate hairstyle. Did they have hair salons in the woods? LOL How did she accomplish that hair-do without a blowdryer? And where did all the women pack those elaborate dresses for the dance? In their saddle bags?
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Well, here's what's up with that ... You've heard of those vans that will come to your house to bathe your dog? Yeah, the idea comes from back in the 1800's when they had those "salons on wheels" :banditbuggy that would come do your hair after you fell in the drink or got caught in a dust storm. Unfortunately, it didn't work out so well because the men thought that it said "saloon on wheels" on they got a might disappointed when there was no booze to be had :shoot2
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Post by PJudith » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:08 pm

Lol ellie, :rotfl You had me going there! For a second I thought that they really had those vans on wheels in the old west and I just never heard of them.

The Barkleys did lead charmed lives though. Like at the end of the episode, they managed to get a doctor to make a housecall up the side of a mountain to see Nick! Most people can't get a doctor to drive two blocks to their house. :grin


Not trying to be too critical, I did like The Big Valley a lot. It's just funny how the characters led such twentieth century lives in the 1870's.

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